Which Is Worse? Take Your Pick
Max Blumenthal has exposed deluded thinkers before - more recently at a conference of College Republicans.
Some things never change. Anyone whose ever been to a fraternity party knows that conservative college boys lack logic and their girlfriends, who will literally bend over backwards to please them, do so without grace. Future alcoholic used-car salesmans and trophy wives.
Their parents must be so proud.
Then there's the newest video regarding Christians United for Israel. I'm never surprised by the Left Behind fanatics and their thinly-veiled anti-Semitic views. Even when those views are wrapped in an Israeli flag.
But Joseph Lieberman is an embarrassment and a shame. He just gets worse as he gets older.
Watch it anyway and wait for the end - Molly Shannon's moves are *smokin'.*
h/t Danny
posted by kate @ 10:57 PM
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14 Comments:
As soon as the film commentator said "...hotel owned by right wing cult leader Sun Myung Moon..." I automatically knew I was listening to a kook moonbat. My time's too valuable for that, so 'click.'
If only there was some promise in the film that I would have got to hear the truth from the commentator about how the WTCs were really brought down by explosive charges placed there by the Mossad I might have listened. When I do take the time to listen to the Max Blumenthal nuts of the world I like for them to get right to the meat of the matter.
Guess it's hard to see the 800, 800 pound gorillas in the room past the one sapien.
click
Hello, I'm Max Blumenthal, come on in and have a seat, tell me, what do you know about Bildebergers and chem trails and dolphins carrying nukes to create tsunamis? Nothing? Great...have you read my newsletter? Are you wearing a wire? What's the frequency, Kenneth?
Since you didn't watch the video, let me summarize it for you. It consists of a bunch of Republicans sitting around talking about how important the war in Iraq is, in the next breath they explain why they can't be over there helping the cause that is so important. None of them have a valid answer, like 99% of the Republicans that sit on their couch and support the war in Iraq.
Yes anon #2, I've heard this stupid argument before. And I say stupid because the correct way to categorize it is not for family viewing.
I'm confident you don't comprehend it so let me explain.
The basic premis is that if you support the war then you should be willing to sign up, put your life on the line, and fight.
If that's the case, then if you're against the war you should sign up to be a human shield, put your life on the line, and do what you can to stop the war.
Don't try and command someone else to do something for what they believe if you aren't willing to do the same. Won't work. If you aren't willing to take a chance of dying to stop the war, then to ask someone else to take a chance of dying if they support it doesn't hold any weight. None. Zero. Zilch. Nada.
Now if you know anything about "Bildebergers and chem trails and dolphins carrying nukes to create tsunamis" then do speak up because at least that would mean you can occasioanlly be amusing.
RW,
I am anon #2. I signed in as anon by accident.
In your flawed description you forgot about another member of society. People like me who actually served in Iraq and are against further occupation.
I served a year in Iraq as a member of the US Army. I was forced to go there b/c I joined the Army in 1998 at at time when I thought I would be asked to protect our country in a noble manner.
I do not support the war in Iraq based on my experiences fighting in Iraq. It is perfectly reasonable for me to expect Republicans who do support the war in Iraq to sign up and put their life on the line to defend our country, like I did.
"then if you're against the war you should sign up to be a human shield, put your life on the line, and do what you can to stop the war."
Fighting in the war you support would quite easily help your effort.
How do you propose this human shield thing would work? Is there some kamikaze human shield division of the army I'm not aware of? Are we all supposed to line up holding hands at the border or airports? Or should we all start manning window washing scaffolds randomly going up and down the sides of skyscrapers across the land holding up our best silver platters shouting, "stop plane!".
How would that stop anything, war wise? And it's even more bizarre that one who would oppose war by essentially (using your logic) just lining themselves up to get killed? What a very productive, non-violent, peaceful, and perpetual way to attain the end of war, ones own death.
I couldn't have imagined a more ridiculous counter argument. But once again, we have you.
Wonders.
danny - Thank you for your service. It's not a false description. But it is not reasonable for you to expect people to take a chance of dying just because they support a particular position, I don't care how you try and spin it. I would expect a noble soldier to say "I defend your right to support the war whether you sign up for the military or not."
Pro-war supporters are asking our country to bear a burden when they themselves aren't willing to lend a hand to that same effort.
"Yes" they say, "we should fight! But not me. Just you."
Pathetic.
Anti-war supporters are asking our country to bear a burden when they themselves aren't willing to lend a hand to that same effort.
"Yes" they say, "we should stop the war! But not me. Just you."
Pathetic.
RW,
If you could create some situation where I could put on a uniform, take a weapon, and fight some enemy with the hopes that if I won, I would be ending the war in Iraq. I would gladly do it.
I'm not sure what scenario you are trying to come up with where you expect anti-war supporters to give up their life? Are you expecting anti-war supporters to commit mass suicide in front of the White House or starve to death on TV with hunger strikes? If so, that is not fair because I'm not asking Republicans to kill themselves. I am simply asking them to fight in a war that they claim to believe in.
If you don't feel it is reasonable for me to expect people to die to defend their position...then how do you expect I should feel about people who expect ME to die to defend their position.
I guess I'm not a "noble soldier." I'm more of a "human being."
danny - It's a poor argument. It's full of logical fallicies. Either you're willing to take a chance of dying to stop the war or you aren't. If you aren't, then asking others to take a chance of dying because they support it won't work.
You can't imagine a scenerio? How about hopping a plane and heading to Iraq and place yourself between whoever it is you think you're protecting and the American soldiers. If someone really wanted to do it badly enough, they'd find a way, of that I have no doubt. Anyone who says it's not feasible is someone who's just making excuses. I'm not interested in excuses.
So what I'm seeing here is that if someone supports the mission of an organization, like the military, they need to join in support of that mission. Well, I guess that means I can't support the mission of law enforcement because, even though I agree with what they do, I have no intention of joining the police force. And I can't support the fire department either because, even though I support what they do, I have no intention of joining the fire department.
Thank you, danny. Thank you for pointing out to the world that it's impossible to support something without actually joining and being a part.
Best line (re: the war) ever: If you don't feel it is reasonable for me to expect people to die to defend their position...then how do you expect I should feel about people who expect ME to die to defend their position.
And it makes you noble btw - just in case you were wondering.
So proud!
>>Best line (re: the war) ever: If you don't feel it is reasonable for me to expect people to die to defend their position...then how do you expect I should feel about people who expect ME to die to defend their position.<<
In that case, here's the answer.
It's an all volunteer military, right? You went in knowing full well you may have to do things you don't necessarily agree with, right?
I have to wonder if you felt the same way about military personnel who did not approve of our actions in Kosovo. Something tells me that from your POV it was different.
But I will keep that in mind, that is if the USA ever engages in a conflict in which I don't approve but you do, I and anyone else who disapproves has your blessing to opt out. You don't expect me to die to defend your position, you made that quite clear.
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